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#13847406 Aug 30, 2018 at 03:46 AM
Emperor
4016 Posts
The Pig Dog Scum List
We have never kept it a secret that we have a private ban list that officers use to check new invites against to stop people we have kicked from sneaking back in. Unfortunately this happens quite frequently and so having the list has proved very beneficial in keeping out the trolls and ensuring that the guild remains a safe friendly place for you to enjoy yourselves.

The list is kept in the officer's private forum as it feels wrong to have it public. Those people have already been kicked from guild and there is no reason to publicly shame and embarrass them in front of their friends (except Raynarog, fuck that guy 😬). We are a popular guild that has been active for over 6 years and we have several hundred active accounts each month. The ban list has 203 entries which means on average we have banned 33 people each year so around 2 a month which is quite good out of 600+ active players (0.33%). The overall number of people on the list is slightly more than 203 since I saved room by making 3 entries that group some people together: "People that idle/suicide through GSF/PvP matches", "Random trolls" and "Random guild bank thieves".

Every person on that list has done something to deserve being on there and they are not welcome in our guild. The list is simply a tool we use as part of our admin since Bioware ignore all suggestions to provide an in-game ban system for guilds. Myself and the officers have far better things to do with our time then deal with troublesome people but sadly as most of you have seen, some people just can't help themselves. The fact is that once someone is kicked we generally forget about them and get back to working on positive things.

Marco's Bullshit
The reason I am writing about this is because several weeks ago I had to kick a few officers. Most of them moved on, found a new guild and carried on with their lives however Marco (Accipiter Nisus) has refused to let it go. He has been harassing myself and several officers with his poorly written bi-polar messages. Personally I've just ignored him like I do with all trolls but some of the others have been wasting hours of their time trying to calm him down. The fact is that he is a grown man that acts like a little child who can't stop screaming for attention. He got himself kicked by his own actions and there is nobody to blame except himself and that is what really eats him up.

He was not only kicked for being a traitor; his appalling attitude to other guild members was also a large factor. He hijacked a thread to wish death on another officer stating "i hope that they die as far as possible from me for do not feel the smell". When we told him how unacceptable that was he then created a separate thread titled "A short story of Scum" where he wrote a long tirade about the same officer and their friend. His behavior had become increasingly erratic and we were already considering demoting him so when his role in the traitors plan was revealed it was an easy decision to be rid of him.

He tells people that I went out of my way to remove all trace of his raid team after he was kicked but the reality is that I sent them a group mail stating they could remain as a team with one person as the official liaison and Marco as their leader outside. They chose to go a different route at which point Marco asked me to remove all trace of the squad's history from our website:


I informed the team of Marco's request and let them know that I would give them time to take copies of their progress images before they were erased.

He originally claimed he had nothing to do with the traitors and that he innocently created the discord server where they plotted their mischief but then today he publicly admitted that he was involved as he proudly stated he considered it a rebellion. He clearly had ill intentions towards the guild which is further proven by the fact he was making copies of private officer documents to share before he was kicked. Keep in mind that Marco was an officer for most of a year until his kick and he had no problem with us having a ban list which he helped contribute towards.


After Marco publicly posted all the names, legacies and kick notes of over 200 people in several locations including places where their friends could read them he then became a massive hypocrite as he began threatening legal action against myself and the guild if all trace of his own deactivated user account was not removed from our website due to him believing it breached his rights in relation to the recent GDPR. User account names do not breach the regulation as they do not identify the actual person. If the user account included a combination of his full name, address, phone number or national insurance number etc which could be used to identify him in the real-world then he might have something but the user account called "Marco" and his non specific email address are not enough. He is highly paranoid and delusional if he thinks any of us are going to waste our time trying to track him down. He's not worth the time or the effort. At any rate, I have deleted his account's registration with our site to stop him harassing our officers who have asked him repeatedly to leave them out of his latest tantrum.


The fact is that publicly releasing the ban list, harassing myself, officers and guild members and threatening legal action are all just Marco's sad pathetic way of screaming for attention. He does not care about the people on the ban list or he would not of publicly shamed them all by sharing it. He does not really care about his website account being deleted. He just wants to try and stay relevant and receive any form of acknowledgement when the reality is we all wish he would just disappear in the wind like the bad fart he is.

Some people wonder why the top of the ban list states:

"This is a list of those that have been outcast from the guild for all time. If you should happen upon any of them with an alt then write their name below and /spit on them 😈"

It sounds harsh but it's because of people like Marco who have nothing better to do with their lives then waste as much time of as many people as they possibly can. It's also written to be a bit tongue in cheek as no officers really do that but in this case if you see Accipiter Nisus then do /spit on him and if he messages you in an attempt to draw you into his bullshit then just ignore him or you will end up wasting hours of your life listening to him moaning. His past and current actions prove that he deserves ZERO respect and I have no regrets about banning him.

It's a game. It's supposed to be fun. Myself and the officers who volunteer our free time to help run the guild want all of you to enjoy yourselves. 90% of what we do is fun and positive but as the leaders of such a large active guild, part of our duty is to shield our players from dickheads like Marco so we have to take things a bit more seriously than most people but we do so to ensure you don't have to.
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#13847533 Aug 30, 2018 at 08:09 AM
157 Posts
Marco (Accipiter Nisus) has refused to let it go

Well you never let it go either as you spit in game on the banned people whenever you met them and remember them for being banned. Calling someone for not able to let it go while you can't... isn't that hypocritical too?

BTW if Marco would have asked me about creating this drama I would have advised him to not do it, this doesn't help to achieve anything. And yeah, you will need a google translate to understand my conditionals, I'm too lazy to learn them.
And as the lion slaughters man I am the wolf and you're the lamb.
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#13847541 Aug 30, 2018 at 08:22 AM · Edited 12 months ago
335 Posts
#13847533 Deacon wrote:


Well you never let it go either as you spit in game on the banned people whenever you met them and remember them for being banned. Calling someone for not able to let it go while you can't... isn't that hypocritical too?.



I don't believe anyone truly follows this "order" to spit. It is a joke, and everyone takes it in the same seriousness.

I also don't believe a single person exists who remembers the ban list by heart and thinks to himself "Whoa, here is that banned guy. What an asshole..." whenever he meets one. We use CTRL+F on the ban list to make sure that the random guy who whispered us for an invite (not via an alt who is already in the guild) is not on the list, and after the invite, we CTRL+F his legacy name to double check. Nothing more, nothing less.

The info about the kick is on the list so that if they ask us why can't they get an invite we can answer them rather than say "IDK, it was even before I was an officer and Ula doesn't remember".

I have played with and had several polite conversations with people who are on the ban lists which I met on random occasions (group finders mostly) and I didn't even check the list until they asked if they can be invited. I probably had dozen more positive interactions with banned people and I am not even aware of that because they didn't ask for invites so I didn't look them up on the list. Even when I know who they are I still am nice (besides the strict "no" on the invite requests) and sometimes also vote for them in PVP. I am quite certain all other officers are as decent as human beings (unless they had a personal quarrel with the guy who got banned, which is probably related to why he got banned).

You will never see an officer going out of his way or even making the first hostile interaction with someone from the list. Marco did more than a hostile interaction, this is public shaming...

P.S: Your conditionals seem fine to me. Just missing a comma or a "then" between the condition and the result :P
Respect the CHAIN of command, for they will lead you to victory and "Through victory my CHAINS are broken!!".
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#13847608 Aug 30, 2018 at 10:15 AM
Ace Squadron
30 Posts
Hmm, I guess this explains why I was spit upon by an Elisium moron in some pug ops on the rep-side just for being a wookie a couple of days ago.
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#13847648 Aug 30, 2018 at 10:53 AM
157 Posts
#13847608 Sensationell wrote:

Hmm, I guess this explains why I was spit upon by an Elisium moron in some pug ops on the rep-side just for being a wookie a couple of days ago.


It's a joke, Rafi just told you

#13847541 Rafiknoll wrote:

#13847533 Deacon wrote:


Well you never let it go either as you spit in game on the banned people whenever you met them and remember them for being banned. Calling someone for not able to let it go while you can't... isn't that hypocritical too?.



I don't believe anyone truly follows this "order" to spit. It is a joke, and everyone takes it in the same seriousness.

I also don't believe a single person exists who remembers the ban list by heart and thinks to himself "Whoa, here is that banned guy. What an asshole..." whenever he meets one. We use CTRL+F on the ban list to make sure that the random guy who whispered us for an invite (not via an alt who is already in the guild) is not on the list, and after the invite, we CTRL+F his legacy name to double check. Nothing more, nothing less.

The info about the kick is on the list so that if they ask us why can't they get an invite we can answer them rather than say "IDK, it was even before I was an officer and Ula doesn't remember".

I have played with and had several polite conversations with people who are on the ban lists which I met on random occasions (group finders mostly) and I didn't even check the list until they asked if they can be invited. I probably had dozen more positive interactions with banned people and I am not even aware of that because they didn't ask for invites so I didn't look them up on the list. Even when I know who they are I still am nice (besides the strict "no" on the invite requests) and sometimes also vote for them in PVP. I am quite certain all other officers are as decent as human beings (unless they had a personal quarrel with the guy who got banned, which is probably related to why he got banned).

You will never see an officer going out of his way or even making the first hostile interaction with someone from the list. Marco did more than a hostile interaction, this is public shaming...

P.S: Your conditionals seem fine to me. Just missing a comma or a "then" between the condition and the result :P


Well, since this is a joke, I can tell you a secret :) Marco posted this after the spit from Ula on the fleet.

So many people don't find this as a joke as you do :) So I would recommend to let the spitting go to show the guild let it go so the guild can be the role model for all the banned folks who don't want to let it go.

#letLetItGoGo

Motivational video :o)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSgJeVwjnpc
And as the lion slaughters man I am the wolf and you're the lamb.
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#13847669 Aug 30, 2018 at 11:43 AM
Emperor
4016 Posts
I won't jump on the quote the quote quotey mc'quotey game but I will address a couple of comments..

Deacon, you were an officer here for long enough to know that none of the officers actually memorise names and spit on people they see. You used to have a sense of humour but since you fell in with the bad crowd that got themselves kicked all you do is criticise even though you know the amount of time and effort those that run the guild put in. You are someone that seems unable to let things go, it's a bit of a joke now that I post something and start the count down for your high ground comment.

Did I spit on Marco? Hell yes. He's a liar and a traitor who has been harassing me and the officers since he got kicked and he has the gaul to turn up at a guild event "to chat to his friends". He can go fuck himself.

Do I make a habit of regularly spitting on banned guild members? No, like I said in the main post, I generally ignore their insulting whispers and general chat messages.

Marco likes telling people that I don't socialise with the guild enough but it's because of people like you and him that I don't. People like him use up my time dealing with their shit and people like you demand I sit on a pedestal and be high and mighty. I try to be fair with everyone, like I think you're a dickhead and from the way you treat me it seems you think the same but I haven't kicked you out even though you enjoy publicly criticising me and my decisions. I am a person that doesn't like dickheads harassing my friends or spoiling the fun for those that have done nothing wrong. If you want a coward as a guild leader then go somewhere else. You criticise me for using an ingame emote on a traitor to your guild but then say nothing about how shit it is that he prepared and shared all those people's names. What did those people have to do with it?

Look the fact is I'm not bothered that the list was made public. The existence of the list has never been a secret. You as an ex-officer know how useful it has been to keep out persistent trouble makers. I don't think it was very nice of Marco to post it publicly as it shames those people and reopens wounds for some of them as nobody likes to read bad comments about themselves.

@Sensationell - there are currently 3 banned people that make a habit of that including posting insulting comments. All three frequently spit and write insults but then keep trying to get reinvited either pretending they are not themselves or by begging to be let back in because they claim to of changed. If you have any more problems mail me the names and I'll bring it up with the Exsillium guild leader.
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#13847672 Aug 30, 2018 at 11:50 AM
Dark Council
923 Posts
@Deacon it is well known that Marco just cannot let things go, look at his falling out with the other officer. They fell out over some squad stuff, she left & Marco got pissed. For 2 month's he posted shit & tried to agro her into a reaction which I must say she did an amazing job at as i would have reacted to some of the stuff he was spouting. We told him to let it go several times & he still kept on going.

Now the spit incident as you know I am one of the oldest members of the guild & i have a certain old fashioned mentality, I have never spit on anyone in game because I don't really like spitting in real life.

Marco claimed he was there to chat with friends ( if only SWTOR had a chat system where you did not have to be within 10 feet of a person to chat with them the game would be so much better ) No he was there to say look at me I am not going away please give me the attention I am demanding, well he certainly got Ula's attention.
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#13847895 Aug 30, 2018 at 06:03 PM
41 Posts
If anybody doesn't like Ula as GM it could be worse. Just think it could be Guido!
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