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#14240625 Nov 02, 2019 at 09:05 PM · Edited 5 days ago
Grand Moff
284 Posts
Notes
ST = Single Target
AoE = Area of Effect
B Mods = High endurance item modifications
GCD = Global Cooldown



Keep in mind that you have 7 pieces of gear but only 6 is required for full set bonus, thus you can boost your performance through using 1 piece of the Amplified Champion's set which provides an additional amplifier slot.


DPS Stat distribution for classes without passive alacrity
Alacrity:
  • 1213, 1.4 GCD
  • 3206, 1,3 GCD
Accuracy: 1590
Critical: Remaining tertiary stats


Juggernaut
Tank
Set bonus: Lord of Pain
Tactical: Situational, Embrace the Pain and Leviathan’s Hide are both viable alternatives
Amplifier: Aural Resistance
Stat distribution: Balance Absorb and Shield, use Warding B mods and high endurance enhancements
Relics: Avoidance & Matrix Shield

Venge
Set bonus: Descend of the Fearless
Tactical: Hemophilic Slash (ST), Cut to Pieces (AoE)
Amplifier: Force Sensitivity

Rage
Set bonus: Descend of the Fearless
Tactical: Cauterized Conary (ST)
Amplifier: Armor Penetration


Marauder
Anni
Set bonus: Descend of the Fearless
Tactical: Spiteful Saber (ST)
Amplifier: Periodic Intensity

Carnage
Set bonus: Descend of the Fearless
Tactical: Fanged God Form (ST)
Amplifier: Weapon Expertise

Alacrity
  • 663, 1.4 GCD without Guild Perk

Fury
Set bonus: Descend of the Fearless
Tactical: Cauterized Conary (ST)
Amplifier: Armor Penetration


Assassin
Tank
Set bonus: Efficient Termination
Tactical: Very situational, Two Cloaks, Shroud of a Shadow, Ancient Tome of Wrath & Friend of the Force are all viable.
Amplifier: Aural Resistance
Stat distribution: Balance Absorb and Shield, use Warding B mods and high endurance enhancements
Relics: Avoidance & Matrix Shield

Deception
Set bonus: Death Knell
Tactical: Blade of the Elements/The Awakened Flame (ST), May Cause Injury (AoE)
Amplifier: Weapon Expertise

Hatred
Set bonus: Death Knell
Tactical: Two Time Trouble
Amplifier: Periodic Intensity


Sorcerer
Healer
Set bonus: Revitalized Mystic
Tactical: Neither is great, pick what you think is optimal
Amplifier: Force Harmonization

Lightning
Set bonus: Gathering Storm
Tactical: Stormwatch (ST), Elemental Convection (AoE)
Amplifier: Force Sensitivity

Alacrity
  • 1895, 1.3 GCD
  • 2124, 1.3 GCD + 1.1 GCD during Polarity Shift (Recommended)

Madness
Set bonus: Gathering Storm
Tactical: Tempest of Rho (ST), Slow Mercy (AoE)
Amplifier: Force Sensitivity


Sniper
MM
Set bonus: Precise Targeter
Tactical: Agitating Energies (ST), Refraction Point (AoE)
Amplifier: Weapon Expertise

Engi
Set bonus: Precise Targeter
Tactical: Ruthless Interrogation (ST)
Amplifier: Periodic Intensity

Viru
Set bonus: Precise Targeter
Tactical: Exploited Weakness (ST), Airborne Agents (AoE)
Amplifier: Periodic Intensity


Operative
Healer
Set bonus: Aggressive Treatment or Tactician
Tactical: Critical Surgery (ST), Regenerative Waves (AoE)
Amplifier: Medtech

Concealment
Set bonus: Tactician
Tactical: Acid Lash (ST), Explosive Cells (AoE)
Amplifier: Tech Wizardry

Lethality
Set bonus: Tactician
Tactical: Synox Shots (ST), Viral Elements (AoE)
Amplifier: Periodic Intensity


Mercenary
Healer
Set bonus: Concentrated Fire
Tactical: Rocket Fuel Vapors
Amplifier: Medtech

Arsenal
Set bonus: Concentrated Fire
Tactical: Primed Ignition (ST), Thermal Nuclear Fusion (AoE)
Amplifier: Armor Penetration

Alacrity
  • 663, 1.4 GCD without Guild Perk

IO
Set bonus: Concentrated Fire
Tactical: Energized Charges (ST), Continuous Fire (AoE)
Amplifier: Periodic Intensity


Powertech
Tank
Set bonus: Right Price
Tactical: Thermal Screen (ST), Oil Fire (AoE)
Amplifier: Aural Resistance
Stat distribution: Get roughly 1k more Shield than Absorb, use Warding B mods and high endurance enhancements
Relics: Avoidance & Matrix Shield

AP
Set bonus: Right Price/Meteor Brawler
Tactical: Energized Blade
Amplifier: Tech Wizardry

Pyro
Set bonus: Right Price/Meteor Brawler
Tactical: Superheated Fuel (ST) / Explosive Weaponry (AoE)
Amplifier: Tech Wizardry
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#14240627 Nov 02, 2019 at 09:06 PM · Edited 8 days ago
Grand Moff
284 Posts
Based on the work done on the SWTOR Theorycrafters Discord, will update if the consensus changes.

Link to discord: https://discord.gg/jqWyBcw

Changes:
  • Sniper: Changed recommended set bonus from Established Foothold to Precise Targeter as EF is apparently bugged.
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#14241027 Nov 03, 2019 at 02:18 PM
85 Posts
also To keep in mind (majority knows this but it think should be in there for that sake of it)

At level 75 - Use Power (Boundless ages) and Equip Mastery & Power (Focused retribution and Serendipitous assault) relics are useless in ANY content that is not scaled to level 75.


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There is pretty nice tactical for operatives called Combat medic training, craftable by armstech - makes combat rez instant and Kolto Infusion castable while moving. Its not much, but can make healing on operative bit more movement friendly
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#14241078 Nov 03, 2019 at 03:09 PM
Emperor
4113 Posts
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#14241132 Nov 03, 2019 at 04:44 PM
Dark Council
947 Posts
I can make Combat medic tactical

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#14241136 Nov 03, 2019 at 05:48 PM
85 Posts
kinda ridiculous costs...
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#14241195 Nov 03, 2019 at 08:05 PM
Black Sun Sq...
8 Posts
Ancient Tome of Wrath is useless for Sin Tanks.

On PTS you would get DR per enemy hit but on live it's Absorb. No point in using it over Two Cloaks, Shroud of a Shadow, or - as a very situational one - Friend of the Force.

Friend of the Force can be really beneficial on certain fights such as Dread Guards NiM.

Stat distribution: Balance Absorb and Shield, use Warding B mods and high endurance enhancements



This is only beneficial in Dxun. Stacking Endurance is completely useless in everything else due to scaling.
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#14241200 Nov 03, 2019 at 07:15 PM
Grand Moff
284 Posts
#14241195 Naziha wrote:

Ancient Tome of Wrath is useless for Sin Tanks.

On PTS you would get DR per enemy hit but on live it's Absorb. No point in using it over Two Cloaks, Shroud of a Shadow, or - as a very situational one - Friend of the Force.

Friend of the Force can be really beneficial on certain fights such as Dread Guards NiM.

Stat distribution: Balance Absorb and Shield, use Warding B mods and high endurance enhancements



This is only beneficial in Dxun. Stacking Endurance is completely useless in everything else due to scaling.


Tyty I edited the tacticals, the stat recommendation is for lvl 75 content, for sub lvl 70 content the tank gearing is basically DPS gear so it felt a bit strange to add that to the post.
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#14241252 Nov 03, 2019 at 09:40 PM
85 Posts
Nim SaV didnt feel like Tanks could or should be in dps gear :shrug:
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#14241440 Nov 04, 2019 at 07:37 AM · Edited 7 days ago
Grand Moff
80 Posts
Sorry to nitpick Riku but you copy pasted Shroud of the Shadow twice in the sin tank tacticals ommiting friend of the force. I also like the double mind trap tactical for flashpoints. As for ancient tome of wrath I still use it for large add packs and dxun has a lot of those. Yes the use of tacticals as a sin is very situational plus we do have the added bonus of able to swap them mid fight.
As to regards to the gearing, you can do old nims with the gear you mentioned in your post saving yourself making two sets. However if you want to min max having two sets is unavoidable. For old content, I prefer unlettered lethal mods and sturinrss/immunity enhancements and a proficient stim and to save cost advanced augmens 45. List of plans for me is to try out hitting the first alacrity cap while keeping 45% absorb 65%shield with dark ward.
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#14241666 Nov 04, 2019 at 02:53 PM
Commander
283 Posts
#14241195 Naziha wrote:

Ancient Tome of Wrath is useless for Sin Tanks.

On PTS you would get DR per enemy hit but on live it's Absorb. No point in using it over Two Cloaks, Shroud of a Shadow, or - as a very situational one - Friend of the Force.



That's not true about two cloaks and Ancient tome of wrath.

At the moment YES, Two cloaks tactical is bugged. but when it is fixed. it is extremely useful for nightmare content.

For example for two cloaks
1: you'll be able to solo tank bestia because of that.
2: you'll be able to tank Tyrans MUCH easier since you get 2 sec shroud from stealth, the thundering blast is only 1.5 seconds.

3: At brontes you'll be able to do almost the entire fight much easier, especially the burn since you got more "shrouds" to use against orbs.

4: EC Firebrand, you can avoid 2 times the armour debuff when every1 else is on Stormcaller (when no shield phases anymore) - makes it for the healers MUCH easier too.

5: SnV warlords - Sunder (with the ability "The end") you can now avoid the big hits even more often.

6: If you ever manage to fail stealth res, you got another chance.


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About Ancient tome of Wrath:
The tactical is VERY useful at opses with many adds/multiple bosses.
on 1 target its useless, but on 3-8.. you get +6 - +16% absorb.
Which you still depend on shield, but with 65% shield, you're shielding quite alot which makes it useful.

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#14241668 Nov 04, 2019 at 03:56 PM · Edited 1 minute ago
Black Sun Sq...
8 Posts
I did some testing today to get the scaling caps for the lvl 70 8m NiM raids and MM FPs at 30 stacks of the Veteran Edge buff.

For my Tank (Sin):

Mastery
  • Baseline: 13082
  • MM FP: 7365
  • 8m NiM: 8265
Endurance
  • Baseline: 16070
  • MM FP: 11570
  • 8m NiM: 13060
Power
  • Baseline: 3722
  • MM FP: 2423
  • 8m NiM: 2557

You can hit the power cap with 7 unlettered lethal mods and can use 2 warding mods in the other two slots. Assuming you are using 228 augments, which in contrast to the old 240s still have +96 tertiaries on them. Go high endurance on any of your gear pieces is useless. I'm using Bastion/Bulwark atm but it might be worthwhile to go for Immunity/Sturdiness to trade some of that excess Endurance for more Defense.
Just to emphasize it again: this is for scaled PvE content only (i.e. everything besides Dxun)


For the sake of completeness here the numbers for my DPS (unoptimized gear, just random 306 dps pieces):

Mastery
  • Baseline: 12188
  • MM FP: 7257
  • 8m NiM: 7337
Endurance
  • Baseline: 15181
  • MM FP: 9476
  • 8m NiM: 10727
Power
  • Baseline: 7253
  • MM FP: 3661
  • 8m NiM: 3837
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#14241690 Nov 04, 2019 at 04:35 PM · Edited 1 hour ago
Black Sun Sq...
8 Posts
#14241666 Tizia wrote:



At the moment YES, Two cloaks tactical is bugged.



I only ever had it bug out on me on trash. During boss fights I found no issues so far.

I agree on your assessment though that AToW can be situationally good with lots of adds. Like Sparky or Huntmaster(?)
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#14241696 Nov 04, 2019 at 04:05 PM
Commander
283 Posts
#14241690 Naziha wrote:

#14241666 Tizia wrote:



At the moment YES, Two cloaks tactical is bugged.



I only ever had it bug out on me on trash. During boss fights I found no issues so far.

I agree on your assessment though that AToW can be situationally good with lots of adds. Like Sparky or Huntmaster(?)


AtoW at:
1: Calphayus (if you go to the side with many adds spawning)
2: DF - Draxus, grobby, Corruptor zero
3: Tfb - Dread guards (especially first phase - wither on 3 targets = 6% absorb, but Two cloak is also possibility)
4: Snv: Dashroode (wither on boss + adds) - titan 6 (on the adds) - Trasher (if you go up)
5: Dxun - everywhere except the 4 kephesses and Apex vanguard

About gods nim.. im not entirely sure since I havent cleared that yet.
It DOESNT save your ass, but it helps you and the healers. the other tacticals are trash.

two cloak and Ancient tome of wrath are IMO the ones that will help the most.
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#14241706 Nov 04, 2019 at 05:42 PM
Black Sun Sq...
8 Posts
I was thinking using Friend of the Force or Dread Guards for Force Field Explosions. Especially when running double Sin Tanks shrouding 4 members in total seems worth while. And you can swap Tacticals for phases 2 and 3,
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